First Place Redlegs!

**7teen** · May 18th, 2010, 07:45 PM

We have won 10 one-run games. Including 13 come back wins. I know the Pythag record suggests we aren't as good right now, but you can't deny winning 9 of the last 10 including something like 16 of the last 25.

**pvfan** · May 18th, 2010, 09:22 PM

Originally Posted by 7teen

We have won 10 one-run games. Including 13 come back wins. I know the Pythag record suggests we aren't as good right now, but you can't deny winning 9 of the last 10 including something like 16 of the last 25.

Pitching and defense, pitching and defense. It's not exciting but it's effective. The Reds have the potential to do to the NL Central what Atlanta did to the NL East in the 90's. With guys like Wood, Chapman, and Mahoney in the minors the pitching talent is deep. They still have an all star pitcher on the DL with Volquez as well. I said at the start of the year that 2011 is the year but they are sure making this year fun. 7teen, it's July 30th you are tied with STL do you trade Alonso for the one piece to put you over the top?

**7teen** · May 18th, 2010, 10:19 PM

Originally Posted by pvfan

Pitching and defense, pitching and defense. It's not exciting but it's effective. The Reds have the potential to do to the NL Central what Atlanta did to the NL East in the 90's. With guys like Wood, Chapman, and Mahoney in the minors the pitching talent is deep. They still have an all star pitcher on the DL with Volquez as well. I said at the start of the year that 2011 is the year but they are sure making this year fun. 7teen, it's July 30th you are tied with STL do you trade Alonso for the one piece to put you over the top?

Is over the top a World Series? If so, then hell yes I trade Alonso. If it's just making it to the playoffs then I'd have to think about that one a little more. A lot is going to depend on whether Alonso can play LF on a day-to-day basis. Either that or Votto has to move to LF so Yonder can play 1b. I'd have a tough time swallowing trading Votto, who is rapidly replacing Chris Sabo as my all-time favorite player.

**pvfan** · May 18th, 2010, 10:23 PM

Votto is an elite player there is no doubt about that. With Alonso I think you have to put him in LF if he's in Cincinnati. Really, can he be worse defensively than Gomes? If it gets the Reds to the playoffs I'd go for it, in baseball anything can happen. If the trade returns Cliff Lee you can pitch Lee/Cueto/pick one. Lee/Cueto alone could win you a series if they are on.

In other news, Carpenter just beat up a water cooler after blowing a lead to the Nationals.

**1inStripes** · May 19th, 2010, 10:07 PM

Reds scared me there for a minute. But, never fear, Jason Heyward is here......

Seriously I wish ATL wouldn't have blown the lead so Kawakami would have finally gotten off the snide.

**pvfan** · May 19th, 2010, 10:08 PM

Darn shame the ball bounced over the fence early in the game or they'd still be playing. Heyward can play, Reds need to win tomorrow.

**UTVols2** · May 19th, 2010, 10:19 PM

I thought they were gonna do it again. I also wish Kawakami would have got the W, he pitched a great game.

Heyward is the man:2thumbsup:

**CoeburnCane** · May 20th, 2010, 09:50 AM

Votto is an elite player there is no doubt about that. With Alonso I think you have to put him in LF if he's in Cincinnati. Really, can he be worse defensively than Gomes?

Agreed that Votto is an elite player at 1B, but I think just like Pujols could make the move from LF to 1B that Votto could make the reverse move with ease. He moves very well and has more speed/athleticism than what Alonso does. To me--you have to move Votto as opposed to Alonso. Trust me--after watching Yonder play for 3 years at UM, I think his ceiling as far as having the athleticism to play LF is lower than Votto's.

I know Yonder's been playing LF in the minors so far, but the jump to LF in the majors would be a bigger jump. 1B's his natural spot and where he's best suited in my opinion. I am surprised by his 10 SB's so far this year though, so maybe he has gotten leaner/faster. Per the Reds site, he's listed at 6'2/210, at UM he was listed at 6'1/215. If that's the case then I can see the move--I know it's only 5lbs, but that was really the difference for him in college...just a little too heavy to use speed. Just based off of how I remember him at UM though, no way he needs to move off 1B.

I'm not going to complain either way. A Cane playing for my favorite MLB team? Good times. Hope it happens soon.

**pvfan** · May 20th, 2010, 02:05 PM

Originally Posted by CoeburnCane

Agreed that Votto is an elite player at 1B, but I think just like Pujols could make the move from LF to 1B that Votto could make the reverse move with ease. He moves very well and has more speed/athleticism than what Alonso does. To me--you have to move Votto as opposed to Alonso. Trust me--after watching Yonder play for 3 years at UM, I think his ceiling as far as having the athleticism to play LF is lower than Votto's.

I know Yonder's been playing LF in the minors so far, but the jump to LF in the majors would be a bigger jump. 1B's his natural spot and where he's best suited in my opinion. I am surprised by his 10 SB's so far this year though, so maybe he has gotten leaner/faster. Per the Reds site, he's listed at 6'2/210, at UM he was listed at 6'1/215. If that's the case then I can see the move--I know it's only 5lbs, but that was really the difference for him in college...just a little too heavy to use speed. Just based off of how I remember him at UM though, no way he needs to move off 1B.

I'm not going to complain either way. A Cane playing for my favorite MLB team? Good times. Hope it happens soon.

I'm not moving an IS for an IF. Put Alonso in LF and lock Votto up long time at first base. He's on pace for a breakout year, if you project his numbers forward from here out it's around 40 home runs and 120 rbi. Don't mess with him.